Do you think illegal immigrants are taking teenagers jobs?

low jobs like for teens that start working for the first time.

jobs like:



mcdonald, burger king, waitress/waiter, working in a hotel,etc.



the illegals I mean are the ones that really like to brag about how great there country is, don't want to sign any papers to become americans, get social security an stuff under false names an don't work or they do work but under false names,etc.Do you think illegal immigrants are taking teenagers jobs?
ROFLMAO!!! NO! come to my neighborhood in central Phoenix and I will walk you around at least 5 fast food joints begging for people to work there. Also the Circle K's. Teenagers don't want to work, why would they flip burgers when Mommy and Daddy make sure they have cell phones, Ipods, even cars to drive back and forth to school.



In regard to the Hep C remark, food service workers do indeed pass it along, but there not ONE shred of proof, evidence or anything else to substantiate that statement. Anyone can say anything but it does not make it a fact.
Yes.



They are taking jobs from American citizens and legal immigrants, especially in today's economic climate.



Many U.S. citizens rely on working 2-3 jobs to make ends meet.



EDIT:



McDonald's franchisee fined 1 mln dlrs for hiring illegal immigrants



http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=鈥?/a>



From Jan. 18: Editorial: Burger King a party to slavery



http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/鈥?/a>



I can find 50 more links to illegal aliens working at any fast food restaurant chain in the country or practically any other company for that matter (and so can ANYBODY ELSE that can surf the Internet)...i merely did a keyword search "burger king and illegal immigrants" and "mcdonalds and illegal immigrants".



Don't let anybody tell you that illegal immigrants "can't" do this or "can't" do that...they can do ANYTHING a U.S. citizen can with a stolen ID including receiving benefits and services they aren't legally entitled to. Illegal criminals aliens work at every major company in the country. Period. End of story. They either use STOLEN IDs or they are hired knowingly by the employer.



EDIT:



Chief



http://blogs.chron.com/immigration/archi鈥?/a>



Luther Mack owns SOME of the restaurants. (apparently you are unaware that most chain restaurants are franchises....regardless they are STILL McDONALDS and BURGER KING RESTAURANTS no matter how you attempt to twist the words), there most certainly ARE illegal criminal aliens working at EVERY fast food chain in the country.This is FACT. Period. End of story.



Didn't like my Burger King link? Here's another one. A drug ring composed of illegal criminal aliens convicted of selling cocaine AT a Burger King where they were employed.



http://www.lakecountymeg.org/Coke%20Bein鈥?/a>



P.S.



I judged no one guilty nor do I desire to, I merely provided easily verified links. Judgement will be left to our legal system.



You need to just let this one go...better yet, delete your response. I am right...you are wrong...I can provide more links!!!



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Bottom line: ILLEGAL CRIMINAL ALIENS HAVE BEEN ARRESTED WHILE BEING EMPLOYED AT MCDONALDS AND BURGER KING. PERIOD. THERE IS NO REFUTING THIS FACT (and it is fact). YOU CAN ATTEMPT TO USE THE TERM "FRANCHISE" TO CHANGE THIS FACT...IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. Nothing in your post does anything to prove any different. You know it...I know it...and so does everybody else.



I said nothing about whether the parent company was aware or guilty of intentionally hiring them. I simply stated that there are in fact illegal criminal aliens working at McDonalds and Burger King. There are.





BTW



I did not say every RESTAURANT employs illegal criminal aliens...I said every fast food restaurant CHAIN. You do know what the word CHAIN means, don't you? If not, I would be happy to explain it to you. My father (now deceased) employed EXCLUSIVELY family members at his single (not chain) restaurant that he ran for approximately 3 years. My father, mother, grandmother, aunts, uncles, and cousins were his only employees. None of his employees were illegal criminal aliens. Did you actually believe conducting a keyword search on me was going to give you something of substance to use against me?



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The only reason I even began "speaking" to you is because YOU called me out personally to counter my post as if something I said was wrong. I merely posted a link showing that illegal criminal aliens are in fact employed by McDonalds and Burger King...that's it. In your response you used the "straw man" tactic...whether intentionally or intentionally. You didn't attack the premise of my post but instead attacked a "straw man"...something 'put together' to distract from the central issue.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man



You used this as an opportunity to claim that I am judging McDonalds and Burger King guilty. I also never said Burger King was a party to slave labor...the link I provided did. As I already said, I only provided the link to help prove the fact that (once again), illegal criminal aliens are indeed employed by McDonalds and Burger King. I personally believe that most employers follow required procedures when hiring employees, and aren't intentionally hiring illegal criminal aliens. Many illegal criminal aliens utilize stolen IDs and use them to receive many benefits and services they aren't legally entitled to, including working illegally in our country. On the other hand, there scumbag employers that knowingly hire them.



Thank you for your condolescences.Do you think illegal immigrants are taking teenagers jobs?
Yes they are and yahoo needs to check into it and stop these bussinesses that hire the criminals from doing so. Also they need to check into the drywall installer industry because these illegals are squating in these new unoccupied residences 24/7 Im sure and adult legal citizen would gladly do this for a fair wage. Im sure many of the college students who cant find seasonal jobs in landscaping would love to get there jobs back from these criminals as well. As some people would love you to believe these are jobs no one will do. But we know thats b.s.. Just propaganda from people who employ these criminals at a low wage. I was recently at a Mc dons and was greeted in spanish. Big mistake. My lunch was free and Juan was removed from the counter. Bilingual no, defient yes. We owe these criminals nothing and citizenship for criminals is a ridiculous idea.
There are tens of MILLIONS of illegal criminal aliens in the U.S. Every last one of them is in our country illegally. There is no "gray area". Period. End of story.



Out of those tens of MILLIONS, every last one of them that works (obviously excluding children) are working ILLEGALLY in our country. It is a crime to WORK in our country while in an illegal status, and it is a crime to knowingly HIRE an illegal criminal alien. There is no "gray area". This is FACT. Period. End of story.



It is not necessary to provide links to news stories showing millions of these criminals being arrested to "prove" it. As a matter of fact, the vast majority that are arrested and deported are not even listed or documented in a media story.



Every last one of these criminals that are working in our country is filling a job that could be filled by American citizens and LEGAL immigrants.





Several people provided IRREFUTABLE PROOF that illegal criminal aliens are, indeed, employed by fast food chains, yet those that support these criminals STILL refuse to acknowledge it. And they never will.Do you think illegal immigrants are taking teenagers jobs?
YES!



Just in my area they are taking all the farm jobs and Christmas tree plantation jobs. Those jobs were the jobs that we worked as kids and now my three teenage boys can't get one.



As far as Adult jobs, Ashley Furniture and Golden Plump Chicken processing plant, the 2 biggest and best paying employers in our area.



And I am not afraid to say that because both places have been busted and now when ICE shows up at one door, management lets the illegals know and they go out the other door. Last time they hit Ashley they only got a few of them in Plant 4, the other plants had to shut down Assembly lines because so many scattered before ICE could get to them.
Yes, and let me tell you., when the illegal says to you " I speak no englis". That is bullsh*t, Those mexican illegals can speak and understand our language clearly. Because in order to fill out an application, and your w2 forms you have know and understand English,. Also in order to drive a car safely in America you have to know English.
It's a combination of illegals and the employment regulations, plus insurance costs due to possible lawsuits with underage workers...it's a real mess coz the younger generation is not getting a work ethic...just a hand out ethic from mom and pop, which may turn into a handout ethic from Barack and Co
I believe they do. Right now the economy is losing jobs so we don't need more immigration whether its illegal or not and this problem can be helped by enforcing immigration laws. Having too many immigrants causes problems for all.
yes. I quit going to McDonalds or any other business who employs illegal alien invaders. One for principal and two, I got tired of the dumb mofo's screwing up my order because they could not understand english and they sure as h*ll couldnt speak it!
They obviously are! When immigration arrested 75 illegal aliens at a Washington Auto parts plant last month the next day 250 American Citizens lined up to fill those jobs. Tell me that illegal aliens don't steal our jobs!
They're taking everyone's job. But yeah they're all over McDonald's and the like.
It's been said around the world Yankee go home, well it is time these go home
they're taking all jobs
F that...they're takin' the Adult American Jobs...
Of course
YES
Not true,they work very hard, most Americans wouldn't think of doing what they do, if they did ,they would want double the pay and do half the work.
No they are not.

First, people who work for McDonalds, Burger King, etc, need to show proof that they are legal in this country, so trying to damage the reputation of those business can be a big issue for the haters because doing that kind of propaganda against those business, can put them in legal problems. Yahoo needs to check on that and not allow people to post wrong information about those business.

Second, because the people who apply for those kind of jobs are legal, those business are entitle to hire any person they want and if they are bilingual that is a plus.

Third, the jobs that "illegals" do are mostly done by real men working in fields, available 24/7, sleeping in the same place provided by the owners. That is not a part time job, and sometimes they are in remote places. I don't think teenagers are going to sleep in those kind of barracks for a complete harvest season without going to their homes to visit their parents or their friends.

Fourth, illegals are not refusing to become Americans, it's our American system the one that is not helping them to come into this country in a legal way making it difficult for them, almost impossible, because they are poor.

But if an immigrant have money, they can buy any property that they want in the USA. For example, go to DC and see how many Chinese own expensive apartments there and they are not citizens, they use their realtors to buy the properties for them in exclusive areas, and they become the owners.
If I were to agree on any opinion about illegals taking jobs it would be that illegals threaten jobs for young men and women but not of teenagers.

I believe that 90 plus percent of today's teenagers do not know what it takes to get a job, work a job or keep a job.

Parents have made it to easy for most teenagers to get what they want by giving it to them. Most have no responsibilities or concerns about the needs of life. Their focus is in the now and live life for today.



In reading ProUSA2 links it seems that he judges McDonald guilty because Mack Associates Inc., a franchisee of McDonald was violating hiring procedures and that Burger King is guilty of being a party to slave labor because they bought tomatoes from an Immokalee business paying little to nothing. This same company provided squalor living conditions.

By his thinking a camera manufacturer is guilty and a party to child sex crimes because they made the cameras pedophiles used to film children.



I did not find anything of a Washington Auto parts plant being raided last month or of anyone lining up to take jobs. So if you have a link to your information please post it.

http://www.google.com/search?q=immigrati鈥?/a>



I did find a story of 32 illegals being raided at Aerospace Manufacturing Technologies but that is not close to the posted 75 nor was anyone lining up for these jobs.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/2008062鈥?/a>



If anyone came up and said " I speak no englis" I might be inclined to think that they speak limited English but I would not believe that they can not speak any English at all.

Why would one think that speaking English is required to drive? I recall a really long time ago taking my drivers test and on that test you had to identify signs by shapes or colors not just by reading. Our route and information signage are designed by colors, visibility and by shape, reading them is only a small part of driving.



How does one know what management is doing? If you are not afraid to say then spit out some sources just posting what you know as your own inside information leaves me with more questions than answers.



Can I say what the biggest problem is here? Would anyone take a moment to think about what this illegal said?



"United States Is Stupid"



June 25, 2008

"United States is stupid...I come back every time." Those words were spoken by Mexican national Rolando Mota-Campos to an immigration agent after his 11th arrest in the United States. Incredibly, Mota-Campos has been deported three times and has vowed to return again after completing his prison term and yet another arguably meaningless deportation to Mexico."

http://www.americanchronicle.com/article鈥?/a>



Read what he says and know that this is the problem. Illegals that do not care know that our government and we as a society do not and can not stop them from reentering.

If my house were robbed and I protected it by leaving it unlocked so they would not damage the door anymore then all the robbers would think like Rolando Mota-Campos and return again and again.

See it is people like Rolando Mota-Campos that need to be instructed by surviving relatives in a dark and unseen place that they are unwelcome and unwanted then the remains are placed in a box and shipped home, the first prepaid the rest C.O.D..

Let their remains warn the next Rolando Mota-Campos that we as a society are now handling our own affairs.



Edit: Let it go no thanks if you read my response I stated "because Mack Associates Inc., a franchisee of McDonald"

apparently you were looking for twisted words and not reading the printed words.

Feel free to post all the links you have, it still does not mean because a person breaks the law the parenting company is aware or guilty also.

As for Burger king or any link unless it states that the parent company of the franchise has been charged and convicted then what I have said holds more truth than your post of "McDonald's franchisee fined 1 mln dlrs for hiring illegal immigrants' And "Burger King a party to slavery".

What I read is a company that used McDonald name has been fined. As for Burger King it states "U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., was scheduled to visit Immokalee Friday afternoon and talk about the campaign to persuade Burger King to join other fast-food chains who raised the pay for tomato pickers by a penny a pound."

Reread Burger King was not a party to slavery that is a twisting of words.

My response is better deleted on its own I have no reason right or wrong to do so myself. In my profile I have wrong answers and used wrong judgment I am human and apologized leaving the post up as a reminder that myself to think before speaking. Post away my got to be right friend.



Edit: If "Illegal criminals aliens work at every major company in the country. Period. End of story." and "there most certainly ARE illegal criminal aliens working at EVERY fast food chain in the country.This is FACT. Period. End of story." Then you can not argue your "I am right...you are wrong" facts against your father having illegals working for him in his restaurant.

"About 20 years ago my father had a small restaurant with 10 employees that grossed 500k. "

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?鈥?/a>



Edit: Yes my yelling got to be right friend illegals have been arrested as employee's of McDonald or Burger King that point I did not argue or state.

Where did I use the word franchise in an attempt change what I have not stated?

In the same terms thank you for acknowledging my point about whether the parent company was aware or guilty of intentionally hiring them.

And as I agreed that illegals can and do work at McDonald and Burger King. My point which it seems you ignore is that the headliner of "Burger King a party to slavery".

I then used a camera manufacturer as my comparison. That is what I have been disagreeing with is that Burger King is not a party of slavery nor was McDonald fined. These people just used a company name to open a business.



It is now twice that you have asked if I understood or have knowledge of, my friend I did not stumble my words and you seem to have no problem in answering them. So then it is either you question my intelligence as a distraction from fact and debate or as by your yelling you want to digress this into a scream fest which I do not care to do.

I had preferred to take our debate privately but you are closed to contact so here we are. Still I am open to a contact from you provided we continue to be as civil as we have been.

Now it seems your father ran a business and you say hired family only and your sure that not one of those employees were illegal? Myself I can not believe that any restaurant is completely illegal free. And it is a wide belief that illegals are in every restaurant.

Did he buy all his stock and food from family only too or did he buy from outside the family circle?

My point was to show that with your solid definite words, "Period. End of story" (said twice) if questioned will be explained past their final word.



Conducting a key search is something I do to answer almost every question I post to so do not feel so honored. Now I am done here and will wait for a private conversation from you. Until then I extend my sincerest condolences as to the loss of your father.